Coach Ralph
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Dear Coach Legend:
Can you tell us a little more about your team? Age/grade, experience/skill level, how often you practice, when did practices start, and how long is your season? -
My kids had no problem with not cutting when the ball went to the logo. They intrinsically understood the difference between passing to the logo vs. the SC. I wish I could say it was great coaching, but it wasn’t.
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Coach Hector: You reference viewing “the video”. I assume its the 2.0 video. There are other numerous videos which can guide you through introducing the offense. Examples include: First Day of Practice, Boot Camps 1-5, Practice Plans, and Youth Practice Plans (for younger teams). There is plenty on the site to chose from. Cut and paste what sounds good to you, and take it away.
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First off, my teams were 7th and 8th grade, with several of my players “playing up” because they were younger. We were only able to practice twice a week (travel team). If we were able to master the attack, I’m sure you will. As I mentioned, the whole point of the 4 out/SC formation is its’ simplicity.
When I ran this attack (a few years back), Rick had not introduced the nail/flank yet. This action puts tremendous pressure on the defense as it must figure out which cutter to defend, it cannot defend both. When the ball goes into the SC (flank), that player will have two cutters to chose from. Spacing and timing is important to maximize each opportunity. First, the person in the logo area flashes to an open spot. If he doesn’t get a pass right away, they must vacate quickly to make space for the laker cutter, as well as avoid a three second call.
This “back-to-back cutter” action takes advantage of the fact that the zone struggles to guard this action i.e., if it covers the first cutter, it will temporarily vacate the space the second cutter will occupy.
Finally, teach the laker cut. The players must learn to cut after they pass to a true post player. No exceptions. -
Coach Todd: You have asked some good questions, getting into the nuts and bolts of the R&R. I am definitely interested in the feedback of others. I will answer your questions in the context of our zone attack, which was 4 out, with a permanent SC running the baseline. Players would hook once and fill out. There are other formations of course you could use to fit your team. Reasons I preferred this formation include a) Simplicity to teach b) Having someone in the SC running behind the zone forces the defense to “flatten out” and creates space in the logo area c) As the ball moves and players act, the SC will get “lost” a surprising amount of the time as they roam the baseline behind the defense d) When someone attacks the basket, the SC will be often open for a dump off pass/shot as the zone collapses e) SC will get really easy opportunities for offensive rebounds.
On to your questions!
1) I viewed the player hooking into the zone as a cutter, and as such, the passer is not required to cut. It was a pass and cut move, not a laker cut. The practical result is that it helps declutter the logo area.
2) When a player hit the SC with a pass, THAT was a laker cut, and the passer was required to cut. Passers loved this BTW as it was another shot at getting the ball back.
3) Yes
4) Against player-to-player defense, someone posting up was a post player, not a cutter. Against a zone, he was cutter. Passers should act accordingly. -
Coach Mark: I live outside Ann Arbor, Michigan, so the distance won’t work. But I can email you some very basic notes along the lines of “If I Knew Then What I know Now”. What is your email address?
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Done Coach Snyder
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Done Coach.
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Yes, absolutely, no thinking, no additional rules. I think that you are concerned about the read line cutters meeting at the basket simultaneously and somehow messing up spacing. Do not worry about this. Rarely, if ever, will both cutters get there at the same time. Think of all the variables involved. Will the cutters cut at the exact same time? Are they equal in quickness? Will they cut with the same aggression? Will their defenders be equally out of position, or will one reach out and try and slow a cutter?
If a one- in- a -million occurrence happens and the cutters arrive at the basket at the same time and a turnover occurs, you should do two things. First, rejoice, because this is evidence that your players are learning the system, and able to execute one of the most difficult to teach actions in the R&R. Ignore the turnover, focus on the rule, not the exception. During the next practice during film review, CONGRADULATE THE CUTTERS!
Second, buy a lottery ticket, because this type of good fortune doesn’t come around very often, and you are hot! -
Can you be more specific with the exact nature of the problem? Examples would be helpful.
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I think at this point, Rick needs to put together a video on this question to address it once and for all. RICK, will you opine, please? -
Coach Bob:
I was assuming you are asking what adjustments would you make against a 1-3-1 zone vs. a more traditional 2-3 formation. That is why I was asking what your standard zone formation/action is so tweaks could be suggested to improve effectiveness while limiting changes your players must make.One of the biggest things you need to be ready for against a 1-3-1 is if the zone moves up to trap at half court or further. Teams that employ a 1-3-1 love to trap. To combat this, you must make sure your offensive set moves up also. If not, your PG will be forced to make bad angle passes that will get picked off and returned for a touchdown all day long. I’ve seen teams that trap 1-3-1 half court or 3/4 destroy other teams simply by forcing bad angle passes and picking them off. Those same teams had no decent offense to speak of, but didn’t need it. Their defense was their offense.
Move everyone up, not just the wings. BTW, you must have middle coverage. With the first action (pass, dribble at,), the middle should find an open spot on the perimeter because someone else will be occupying the middle. Your players need to comfortable making their usual hook, look and filling out actions away from their traditional half court locations. If you have training spots, move them back so they have something they recognize to work on, then lift them up and make them work it without the spots.
Make sure your PG does not panic, and if he has the space, use his back up dribble. Maybe back up before he crosses half court to give the team a chance to step back too. Watch the 10 seconds in this situation of course. To kick off your trap break, you need to shout out to your players “trap’.
Being able to slip easily into a 2 guard zone set will give this trap fits too. That back up dribble and a lateral pass to the other guard (passer then hooks middle, middle exits ) will be very difficult to trap.
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Coach Bob:
What is your normal zone attack formation?